The Long War

Israel snipers do shoot kids on purpose

This statement is not supported by facts, and is thus not legitimate. You use Islamist and Palestinian propaganda to justify your viewpoint. If you can't demonstrate a minimal of credibility in exposing your views, they are not worth commentary. I'm sure Hitler had his rationalizations, as do you, but that did not make his quest to kill millions legitimate, and neither is yours.

their orders allow them to shoot any child above the age of 12

What is reprehensible is that Palestinians would employ their children in committing war crimes.

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Palestinians glorify child 'martyrs': Mother only wishes a different son had died

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Mom of martyr: Sacrifice more of my children: See clip of women celebrating, praising Allah for death of sons

By the way, I would like to applaud you for caring so deeply about Palestinian children. Perhaps you will join me, then, in condemning the alarming gendercide of women, particularly young girls, in the West Bank and Gaza. We're at an average of 32 official "honor killings" per year, as of 2007, although I've seen unofficial estimates running into 90 such "incidents", every single year.

Even were we to take your ludicrous, propagandistic numbers into account, it would still be the Palestinians who kill more of their own children, by a 5-1 yearly margin.

No wonder the kids are desperate to run head first into Israeli bullets. Their alternative is to be raped, murdered and buried in the back yard by their own relatives!

23,600 to 29,900 children required medical treatment for their beating injuries in the first two years of the [first] intifida, with nearly one third sustaining broken bones

What "Save the Children" did not say, was how many of these beatings were the result of "normal" parenting on the part of the Palestinians. Palestinians beat their kids. Mercilessly, relentlessly, and sometimes for no reason. Just talk to a village Palestinian about their childhood. Beatings by both parents, relatives and complete strangers are both "normal" and accepted.

I suppose that's for the lucky ones, who aren't raped, murdered and buried in the back yard!

6,500 to 8,000 children were wounded by gunfire during the first two years of the Intifada

What the report did not say was who fired the weapons that resulted in children being wounded. Again, you don't know Palestinian society. Ask any Palestinian who grew up in the 1st or 2nd Intifada. They will tell you it is a common passtime for kids to pick up unspent bullets on the ground, put them between two rocks, and hit the bullet from behind until it detonates, shooting the slug randomly.

Nor are Palestinian children exempt from stupidity on the part of Palestinian adults. These actions include

1) firing rifles off into the air randomly every time they want to act like "real men". Those bullets have to come down somewhere.

2) Improperly manufacturing bombs and rockets to be fired at Israel, with the result being that the bombs explode prematurely and the rockets fall short of murdering the Jewish child in Sderot and instead murder the Palestinian child in Beit Lahia.

3) Shooting at Israeli military forces in the presence of children, and often using children as human shields to avoid IDF retaliation.

Are you now going to argue that *30,000* Palestinian kids were beaten by the Israelis by accident, many of them so savagely that a third of them suffered broken bones?

No, I'm going to state you have no understanding of Palestinian society. Breaking the bones of a child during a parental beating is not uncommon, especially in the more felahe villages.

What kind of a mind does it take to rationalize the deliberate shooting and savage beating of children? I cannot see anyone with any trace of morality, ethics or human conscience supporting horrific crimes against children like this. Within our culture, those who harm children are considered the lowest of the low.

I agree wholeheartedly! Let's put a stop to Palestinian abuse, beating and murder of children in the West Bank and Gaza! Start the petition, and I'll sign. I'm sure uncle Jihad in Jabaliya will read this petition, before he beheads you.


Hamas is the legitimately elected representative of the Palestinian people, and there are many who would regard the PNA under Abbas as exactly the kind of Quisling government I mentioned before.

Strange. Hamas did win the parliamentary elections, and you consider that vote legitimate. Abbas won in the presidential elections, and you do not consider that vote legitimate. I am starting to suspect you have a special place in your heart for Islamist terrorist organizations responsible for the murder of hundreds of Israeli civilians, including entire busloads of Jewish children. You were all for protecting children just a second ago... maybe it's because these children are Jewish, that you support their murderers? Just a thought.

In any case, the PNA President, not the legislature, is responsible for declaring a state of war with Israel. The PNA has condemned terrorist acts against Israelis, thus robbing these murderers of legitimacy.

The appointment of a Quisling government does not rob an occupied people of the right to resist that occupation.

The PNA was not appointed, all of it, was elected by a majority of the Palestinian people in free and fair elections. Again, you believe elections are only fair and free if Islamofascists who wish to murder Jews are elected. Interesting.

So long as they are not targeting civilians, using disproportionate force or violating the rules of war, any armed resistance by Palestinians is legtimate.

This is simply not the case. Palestinians outside of official security forces have no legitimate right to engage in violence or combat, whether against their own people, or anyone else.

violating the rules of war

Not declaring yourself to be a combatant in an armed conflict is against the rules of war. Firing bullets, rockets and mortars at civilian population centers is against the rules of war. Murdering civilians with homicide bombers is against the rules of war. Hiding amongst a civilian population with the intent of evading an opposing military force is against the rules of war. Using children to perpetrate terrorist violence is against the rules of war. And that's just the beginning...

There has been no specific UN resolution or any other action under international law prohibitting the Palestinians from resisting the occupation.

Just because Evil has broad-based support does not make it less Evil. The Palestinians, at least the ones who matter, are engaged in a war of extermination against the Jews. That they are supported by Arab bretheren - all of which are one party dictatorships - who launched and financed a half dozen wars of extermination against the Jewish state is not surprising.

The world has done little to promote Palestinian sovereignty other than drafting a handful or unenforceable UN resolutions. The US by contrast has given billions in aid and free weaponry to Israel.

Tell that to the US, EU, UN, UNRWA, Arab League... Tens of billions have been spent on the Palestinians from all corners, especially the US and EU, with little to show for it. Indeed, Israel itself donated weapons to the PA security forces in the 1990s! It is not the fault of donors that this money and resources are continually siphoned to private Palestinian pockets and terrorism and war against Jews in Israel.

Both Fatah and Hamas have openly stated they are willing to recognize the existence of a Jewish state on the territory that was stolen from the Palestinians prior to 1967 either as is or in exchange for recognition of a fully indepedent Palestinian state.

We'll let Hamas speak for itself:

After talks with former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Hamas' exiled leader Khalid Meshaal said Monday the militant group has no plans to recognize Israel.

"We agree on the [Palestinian] state with the borders of June 4, 1967, Jerusalem as its capital, fully sovereign without settlements, the right of return, but without the recognition of Israel," Meshaal said at a news conference in Damascus, Syria.

So much for that theory, but thanks for trying. You're an appologist for Islamofascist terrorists. Sleep well.

Israel has one of the most powerful armies in the world, nuclear weapons, and the mindless, unquestioned support of the US and its military.

Thanks for the compliments. The Jews worked hard to ensure that "Never Again" meant "Never Again", whether by Hitler's SS or Arab armies.

The idea that some kids with rocks resisiting the theft of their land consitutes a threat to Israel's self-determnination is mental derangement of the "I think I'm Napoleon" variety.

Which is why i think it's silly that you continue to claim this. Decent people don't throw rocks, and they don't send their children to throw rocks - that goes for anyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Druze, etc. The Palestinians have elected their government. Any violence initated outside the authority of that government is illegitimate, whether committed by hardened Palestinian terrorists or 16 year old kids who have been brainwashed to worship those terrorists.

International law does not recognize the right to territorial acquisition through war.

Huh! You don't say. Tell that to the Arab armies that invaded the nascent Jewish State in 1948. I suppose if the Arabs had prevailed, they would have shortly returned the land to the Jews, right?

Furthermore, Jewish armies, acting in wars of self-defense, annexed previously Arab land in the 1948 War of Independence and other combat actions which followed on Israel's periphery. These annexations were recognized as legitimate by the international community. Thus, your demand that Israel withdraw to 1967 borders. Why stop there? Demand a return to 1948 borders!

The fact is, annexation of territory is an accepted part of international law, when such annexation is recognized by the international community.

The fact that Israel is determined to emulate the Nazis in so many ways doesn't make their actions legal.

That's an interesting statement, coming from an individual who acts as an appologist for Hamas, an organization sworn to exterminating the Jewish State as its foundational purpose and charter. Very interesting.

Murdering Palestinian kids using and military force

Already debunked. Using children in combat is a war crime. Killing or detaining children being used by the opposing force to commit war crimes is not a war crime; it is a legitimate act of self-defense.

to annex territory are also a war crimes

Already debunked. Annexing territory is legitimate, as proven by Israel annexing all the land it now posesses, up to 1967. This land, including West Jerusalem, is considered to be completely and legitimately under Israeli sovereignty, though it was conquered in defensive wars.

every war crime the Israelis suffered has been the result of their attempts to steal Palestinian land

So you admit the Jews of Israel have been under relentless attack, and have had war crimes committed against them, repeatedly. We are making progress.

The Jews were usually treated with dignity and respect in Muslim lands prior to the advent of Zionism and indeed dominated trade in commerce under the Ottomans.

Oh, how little ye' knows...

Violence against Jews in Muslim Lands:

Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.

By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmi in Muslim lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British Vice Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:

The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed.

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN over partition in 1947. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: "Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world."

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940's in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen. This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.

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This would seem a long enough rebutal of your lies, distortions and outright drivel. You have shown yourself to be ignorant of the facts, uneducated in International Law, unfamiliar with either Palestinian culture or Jewish-Muslim history, and outright supportive of Islamofascism's aim to exterminate Jews.

You're a disgusting peace of work, and it has been my pleasure to tackle and overcome your particular brand of evil.